[Po-dev] RE: Peripheral vein vs tertiary vein or high order vein
Peter Stevens
peter.stevens at mobot.org
Tue Apr 22 09:09:37 EDT 2008
Sorry, I have been at the University for a couple of days.
Brochidromous venation strictly speaking refers to the venation as a
whole; one might argue there is no such thing as a brochidromous
vein. See earlier comment about submarginal veins.
P.
On Apr 21, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Pankaj Jaiswal wrote:
> Please let me know if the following works. Although its more like a
> phenotype term associated with the terminal end of secondary veins.
> We can try to accommodate this request. [Phenotype terms are
> strictly not added to PO]. Other terms associated with venation
> type are 'acrodromous, eucamptodromous, semicraspedodromous.'
>
> Given this diversity in leaf venation, my suggestion would be to
> create two separate instances of brochidodromous vein as follows.
> Obviously we need a grouping term 'brochidodromous vein' as well.
> Point to note: we are considering 'brochidodromous vein' as a new
> entity (Plant structure) compared to its phenotype status described
> above.
>
> leaf vein PO:0020138
> ---[is_a]--brochidodromous vein [PO:NEW]
> ------[is_a]--brochidodromous secondary vein [PO:NEW]
> ------[is_a]--brochidodromous tertiary vein [PO:NEW]
>
>
> Also
>
> leaf vein PO:0020138
> ---[is_a]--secondary vein PO:0020140
> ------[develops_from]--brochidodromous secondary vein [PO:NEW]
> ---[is_a]--tertiary vein PO:0020140
> ------[develops_from]--brochidodromous tertiary vein [PO:NEW]
>
> Definitions:
> brochidodromous vein
> Describes leaves with venation in which the secondary and/or
> higher order veins do not terminate at the margins but rather are
> joined in a series of prominent arches.
>
> brochidodromous secondary vein
> Describes leaves with venation in which the secondary veins do not
> terminate at the margins but rather are joined in a series of
> prominent arches.
>
> brochidodromous tertiary vein
> Describes leaves with venation in which the tertiary veins do not
> terminate at the margins but rather are joined in a series of
> prominent arches.
>
>
> Dws wrote:
>> brochidodromous can form from secondary vein anatomoses in most
>> cases, but in some, such as some species of Gnetum, it forms from
>> anastomoses of tertiary veins and/or/a combination.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* Chih-Wei Tung [mailto:cwt6 at cornell.edu]
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 21, 2008 12:50 PM
>> *To:* Maria A. Gandolfo
>> *Cc:* po-dev at plantontology.org; Fabio Fiorani; Jose Manuel Perez
>> Perez; Dws
>> *Subject:* Re: Peripheral vein vs tertiary vein or high order
>> vein
>> Hi Alejandra,
>> One more question, does this term " rochidodromous arch" only
>> specific to secondary vein or can be used in any vein
>> order? Chih-Wei
>> On Apr 21, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Maria A. Gandolfo wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> More than brochidodromous vein it is a "brochidodromous arch".
>>> Hickey, L.J. 1973. Classification of the architecture of
>>> Dicotyledonous leaves. Amer. J. Bot 60: 17-33.
>>>
>>> Dilcher, D.L. 1974. Approaches to the identification of
>>> angiosperms leaves. Bot Rev. 40
>>>
>>> Leaf architecture Working group. 1999. Manual of leaf
>>> architecture. 65 p.
>>>
>>>
>>> Alejandra
>>> At 12:01 PM 4/21/2008, you wrote:
>>>> Hi Alejandra,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for quick reply.
>>>> I also found a review paper "Evolution and Function of leaf
>>>> venation architecture", it has a "brochidodromous
>>>> venation" picture (see
>>>> pdf attachment). I will also look into those papers you
>>>> mentioned here.
>>>>
>>>> One thing I am puzzled is the photo has a pink highlight at
>>>> the peripheral region, it's likely AGRON-OMICS are
>>>> interested in that particular structure (peripheral vein),
>>>> do you know if there is any specific terminology to describe
>>>> such joined vein structure? Can we call it "brochidodromous
>>>> vein" ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Chih-Wei
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 21, 2008, at 11:34 AM, Maria A. Gandolfo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Chih-Wei,
>>>>>
>>>>> For many years paleobotanists have used leaf architecture
>>>>> as one tool to describe leaf remains.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are several papers that address the leaf vein
>>>>> architecture terminology (Dilcher 1973, Hickey 1974 and
>>>>> more recently LAWG 1999).
>>>>>
>>>>> What the photo is showing is considered to be the
>>>>> typical brochidodromous venation (secondary veins joined
>>>>> together in a series of prominent arches).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want the papers I mentioned, I can send them to you
>>>>>
>>>>> Alejandra
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At 10:27 AM 4/21/2008, you wrote:
>>>>>> Dear PO developers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We recently got a request from AGRONO-MICS group regarding
>>>>>> to the
>>>>>> term " peripheral vein: a vein located toward the margin
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> leaf
>>>>>> lamina" (see attached picture).
>>>>>> Pankaj raised a issue about how peripheral vein differs from
>>>>>> tertiary
>>>>>> vein or high order vein, it is very tricky to determine
>>>>>> the vein
>>>>>> orders when the veins form a continuous structure at the
>>>>>> proximal
>>>>>> ends. If you have any thoughts about this structure,
>>>>>> please share
>>>>>> wit us, we would like to resolve it as soon as possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chih-Wei
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> name=peripheral vein.doc
>>>>>> Content-Disposition: attachment;
>>>>>> filename="peripheral vein.doc"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Alejandra,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for quick reply. I also found a review paper
>>>> "Evolution and Function of leaf
>>>> venation architecture", it has a "brochidodromous venation"
>>>> picture (see pdf attachment). I will also look into those
>>>> papers
>>>> you mentioned here.
>>>>
>>>> One thing I am puzzled is the photo has a pink highlight at the
>>>> peripheral region, it's likely AGRON-OMICS are interested in
>>>> that
>>>> particular structure (peripheral vein), do you know if there is
>>>> any specific terminology to describe such joined vein
>>>> structure?
>>>> Can we call it "brochidodromous vein" ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Chih-Wei
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Content-Type: application/pdf;
>>>> x-mac-type=50444620;
>>>> x-unix-mode=0644;
>>>> x-mac-creator=4341524F;
>>>> name=Evolution and function of leaf venation
>>>> architecture-review.pdf
>>>> Content-Disposition: inline;
>>>> filename="Evolution and function of leaf venation
>>>> architecture-review.pdf"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 21, 2008, at 11:34 AM, Maria A. Gandolfo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Chih-Wei,
>>>>>
>>>>> For many years paleobotanists have used leaf architecture
>>>>> as one
>>>>> tool to describe leaf remains.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are several papers that address the leaf vein
>>>>> architecture terminology (Dilcher 1973, Hickey 1974 and more
>>>>> recently LAWG 1999).
>>>>>
>>>>> What the photo is showing is considered to be the typical
>>>>> brochidodromous venation (secondary veins joined together in a
>>>>> series of prominent arches).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want the papers I mentioned, I can send them to you
>>>>>
>>>>> Alejandra
>>>>>
>>>>> At 10:27 AM 4/21/2008, you wrote:
>>>>>> Dear PO developers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We recently got a request from AGRONO-MICS group regarding
>>>>>> to the term " peripheral vein: a vein located toward the
>>>>>> margin of the
>>>>>> leaf lamina" (see attached picture).
>>>>>> Pankaj raised a issue about how peripheral vein differs from
>>>>>> tertiary vein or high order vein, it is very tricky to
>>>>>> determine the vein orders when the veins form a continuous
>>>>>> structure at the proximal ends. If you have any thoughts
>>>>>> about this structure, please
>>>>>> share wit us, we would like to resolve it as soon as
>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chih-Wei
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Content-Type: application/octet-stream;
>>>>>> x-mac-type=5738424E;
>>>>>> x-unix-mode=0644;
>>>>>> x-mac-creator=4D535744;
>>>>>> name=peripheral vein.doc
>>>>>> Content-Disposition: attachment;
>>>>>> filename="peripheral vein.doc"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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