new term request: Hull

[kellogge]

Pankaj -
I've looked at the paper - I still don't see why it can't be annotated  
to lemma and palea.  Just because the authors use a non-botanical word  
does not mean that the databases have to use the term.
Toby

On Jan 31, 2006, at 9:57 PM, Pankaj Jaiswal wrote:

> There is some difficulty on putting hull as synonym. I think there is  
> a precedence on creating a new term even though a part is called by  
> different name in a derive parent structure. e.g. in seed many parts  
> are derived from the ovule, e.g. chalaza, micropyle, testa etc. These  
> are derived structures or rather the same structures but sometimes can  
> be called by different names. Similarly it will be very difficult  to  
> annotate phenotypes and gene expression such as in case of  
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? 
> cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16443696&query_hl=5&itoo 
> l=pubmed_docsum
> to lemma and palea. In this case the actual structure is called as  
> hull. I think we need hull as a new term, and the parentage as follows
>
> fruit
> ---part_of---hull
>
> Also
>
> floret
> --part_of--lemma
> -----develops_from--hull
> --part_of--palea
> -----develops_from--hull
>
> -Pankaj
>
> peter.stevens at mobot.org wrote:
>
>> I agree with Toby - second would include all sorts of things, and
>> third is difficult - the K of raspberries barely is enlarged at all,
>> and is basically marcescent - marcescent calyces are common, and
>> nobody ever calls then a hull (and I hope never will).
>> P.
>> .
>>  >Hi Pankaj -
>>  >
>>  >I'd still go with synonym of lemma and palea, probably as hull sensu
>>  >Poaceae. I'd prefer to avoid the first defniition you've listed
>>  >below, since it doesn't pertain to anything botanical (or maybe
>>  >pertains to everything). Following the second definition, you could
>>  >have a synonym of calyx being hull sensu Rosaceae.
>>  >
>>  >Toby
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >On Jan 25, 2006, at 3:29 PM, Pankaj Jaiswal wrote:
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >Hi All,
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >I need a new term to describe 'hull' in cereal plants. I know
>>  >experts say that it is nothing different than lemma and palea, the
>>  >two parts found in grass floret. Therefore the options are to put
>>  >'hull' as synonyms of both lemma and palea, which I somehow disagree
>>  >because the term 'hull' is never used in florets/grass flowers. The
>>  >usage is only in the grass fruits (caryopsis). It also appears that
>>  >the same term is used in other families as well. So we need a
>>  >species/organ specific distinction as well.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  ># dry outer covering of a fruit or seed or nut
>>  >
>>  ># persistent enlarged calyx at base of e.g. a strawberry or  
>> raspberry
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >-Pankaj
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >Elizabeth A. Kellogg
>>  >
>>  >E. Desmond Lee and Family Professor of Botanical Studies
>>  >
>>  >Department of Biology
>>  >
>>  >University of Missouri-St. Louis
>>  >
>>  >St. Louis, MO 63121
>>  >
>>  >Tel: 314-516-6217
>>  >
>>  >FAX: 314-516-6233
>>  >
>>  >http://www.umsl.edu/services/kellogg/
>
>
Elizabeth A. Kellogg
E. Desmond Lee and Family Professor of Botanical Studies
Department of Biology
University of Missouri-St. Louis
St. Louis, MO 63121
Tel: 314-516-6217
FAX: 314-516-6233
http://www.umsl.edu/services/kellogg/
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