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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I agree with Toby - second would include all sorts of things, and </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>third is difficult - the K of raspberries barely is enlarged at all, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>and is basically marcescent - marcescent calyces are common, and </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>nobody ever calls then a hull (and I hope never will).</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Hi Pankaj -</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>I'd still go with synonym of lemma and palea, probably as hull sensu </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Poaceae. I'd prefer to avoid the first defniition you've listed </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>below, since it doesn't pertain to anything botanical (or maybe </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>pertains to everything). Following the second definition, you could </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>have a synonym of calyx being hull sensu Rosaceae.</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>On Jan 25, 2006, at 3:29 PM, Pankaj Jaiswal wrote:</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Hi All,</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>I need a new term to describe 'hull' in cereal plants. I know </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>experts say that it is nothing different than lemma and palea, the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>two parts found in grass floret. Therefore the options are to put </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>'hull' as synonyms of both lemma and palea, which I somehow disagree </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>because the term 'hull' is never used in florets/grass flowers. The </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>usage is only in the grass fruits (caryopsis). It also appears that </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>the same term is used in other families as well. So we need a </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>species/organ specific distinction as well.</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>># dry outer covering of a fruit or seed or nut</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>># persistent enlarged calyx at base of e.g. a strawberry or raspberry</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>-Pankaj</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Elizabeth A. Kellogg</FONT>
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