From sbassi at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 09:28:03 2005
From: sbassi at gmail.com (Sebastian Bassi)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:28:03 -0300
Subject: question about gramene DB
Message-ID: <b43bf2080512010628o7630c1f9re837f2e092c4a6ba@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I downloaded the MySQL of Gramene DB and I have a question: How do you
retrieve the LG number? I couldn't find it in the map, map_type and
mapping tables. Where is it stored?
For example, the markerID  13157 has a LG = 03, but I don't understand
how can I relate them.

Best regards,
SB.


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From sbassi at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 09:47:47 2005
From: sbassi at gmail.com (Sebastian Bassi)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:47:47 -0300
Subject: LG from Gramene MySQL db
Message-ID: <b43bf2080512010647u15366affnc089f4e70ab35608@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I can't find where the LG is stored in the gramene DB. I have the
MySQL dump of the gramene DB, I looked into mapping, map, map_set and
I couldn't  find the LG information.



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From jn66 at cornell.edu  Fri Dec  2 09:19:15 2005
From: jn66 at cornell.edu (Junjian Ni)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:19:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: LG from Gramene MySQL db
In-Reply-To: <b43bf2080512010647u15366affnc089f4e70ab35608@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b43bf2080512010647u15366affnc089f4e70ab35608@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2078.128.253.246.144.1133533155.squirrel@webmail.cornell.edu>

Dear Sebastian,

I guess your "LG" stands for "Linkage group", right? In that case, we call
that "map" in our database.

On the following page, you can see:
http://www.gramene.org/db/markers/marker_view?action=marker_search&marker_id=13157

in "Mappings", one column called "Map" has "LG-03".

Hope this info helpful and let's know if having further questions.

Junjian Ni

> Hello,
>
> I can't find where the LG is stored in the gramene DB. I have the MySQL
dump of the gramene DB, I looked into mapping, map, map_set and I
couldn't  find the LG information.
>
>
>
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From aabdelkhalik at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 04:47:34 2005
From: aabdelkhalik at gmail.com (Amr Farouk Abdelkhalik)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:47:34 +0200
Subject: alpha-amylase
Message-ID: <70701d640512050147i76aa051eu97ef9b91fb836ca2@mail.gmail.com>

Hello
I need your help to locate any molecular marker related to alpha-amylase in
rice.
Please accept my best regards.
Yours
Amr Farouk, PhD
Rice Research and Training Center
Sakha 33717
Egypt
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From jn66 at cornell.edu  Mon Dec  5 10:52:47 2005
From: jn66 at cornell.edu (Junjian Ni)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:52:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: alpha-amylase
In-Reply-To: <70701d640512050147i76aa051eu97ef9b91fb836ca2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70701d640512050147i76aa051eu97ef9b91fb836ca2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1561.128.253.246.144.1133797967.squirrel@webmail.cornell.edu>

Dear Amr,

There are many amylase loci.
http://dev.gramene.org/db/mutant/search_core?query=amylase&btn=Search

I don't know which one you are really interested.

Additional info, there are already the map position info available in our
database for those amylase even they are "under curation". Please select
the gene name to go to the detail page to find that. It is also possible
to use CMap to find some molecular markers associated with those genes.

Let's know if you have further questions and thanks. Good luck.

Junjian

> Hello
> I need your help to locate any molecular marker related to alpha-amylase
> in
> rice.
> Please accept my best regards.
> Yours
> Amr Farouk, PhD
> Rice Research and Training Center
> Sakha 33717
> Egypt
>


Junjian Ni
Gramene Curator
G15, Bradfield Hall,
Cornell University,
Ithaca, NY 14853



From r.islam at cgiar.org  Tue Dec 13 04:05:53 2005
From: r.islam at cgiar.org (Islam, Rafiqul (IRRI))
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:05:53 +0800
Subject: About marker search
Message-ID: <C781839E63F2A140A7928F015DBBA650227684@Hermes>

Hello

I can not able to search marker in GRAMENE internet site. What is the
problem? How can I able to search different markers for rice? Thanks for
your earliest response.

 

Regards

Rafiq

IRRI

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From jn66 at cornell.edu  Tue Dec 13 09:33:07 2005
From: jn66 at cornell.edu (Junjian Ni)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:33:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: About marker search
In-Reply-To: <C781839E63F2A140A7928F015DBBA650227684@Hermes>
References: <C781839E63F2A140A7928F015DBBA650227684@Hermes>
Message-ID: <4175.128.253.246.144.1134484387.squirrel@webmail.cornell.edu>

Hi Rafiq,

Just tried. It works now and please use the following URL to do your
searching again.
http://www.gramene.org/db/markers/marker_view

For searching different markers, you can use marker type and species to
filter your search.

As the marker database is quite big, it will take some time for you to get
your results.

Junjian Ni

> Hello
>
> I can not able to search marker in GRAMENE internet site. What is the
> problem? How can I able to search different markers for rice? Thanks for
> your earliest response.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Rafiq
>
> IRRI
>
>


Junjian Ni
Gramene Curator
G15, Bradfield Hall,
Cornell University,
Ithaca, NY 14853



From kclark at cshl.edu  Tue Dec 13 10:46:44 2005
From: kclark at cshl.edu (Ken Youens-Clark)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:46:44 -0600
Subject: About marker search
In-Reply-To: <4175.128.253.246.144.1134484387.squirrel@webmail.cornell.edu>
References: <C781839E63F2A140A7928F015DBBA650227684@Hermes> <4175.128.253.246.144.1134484387.squirrel@webmail.cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <FAAE4E24-9CD1-48CE-92B0-54F7DA33C9D3@cshl.edu>

On Dec 13, 2005, at 8:33 AM, Junjian Ni wrote:

> Hi Rafiq,
>
> Just tried. It works now and please use the following URL to do your
> searching again.
> http://www.gramene.org/db/markers/marker_view
>
> For searching different markers, you can use marker type and  
> species to
> filter your search.
>
> As the marker database is quite big, it will take some time for you  
> to get
> your results.
>
> Junjian Ni

Rafiq,

I looked at the marker search script pointed to by Ni above (I wrote  
it originally) and found where it was taking a long time to load some  
data for the initial view.  I've now fixed it.  Perhaps you were  
frustrated by how long the script took to start up, so that's fixed now.

Thanks for writing!

ky


>> Hello
>>
>> I can not able to search marker in GRAMENE internet site. What is the
>> problem? How can I able to search different markers for rice?  
>> Thanks for
>> your earliest response.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Rafiq
>>
>> IRRI
>>
>>
>
>
> Junjian Ni
> Gramene Curator
> G15, Bradfield Hall,
> Cornell University,
> Ithaca, NY 14853
>



From r.islam at cgiar.org  Wed Dec 14 02:29:48 2005
From: r.islam at cgiar.org (Islam, Rafiqul (IRRI))
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:29:48 +0800
Subject: About marker search
Message-ID: <C781839E63F2A140A7928F015DBBA650227685@Hermes>


Hi Junjian Ni, Ken and Rajkumar
Thanks to all of you to response my problem. I have tried to do as your
suggestions but still some problem with some of the SSR markers. I can
not able to search for the information of RM9, RM16, RM5, RM107, RM108,
RM124, RM130 etc. When run for this marker it was shown "the page can
not be displayed". I don't know where the actual problem is. Again
thanks to all for helping me.

Regards
Rafiq
IRRI  

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Youens-Clark [mailto:kclark at cshl.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, 2005 December 13 11:47 PM
To: Islam, Rafiqul ((IRRI))
Cc: gramene at gramene.org
Subject: Re: About marker search

On Dec 13, 2005, at 8:33 AM, Junjian Ni wrote:

> Hi Rafiq,
>
> Just tried. It works now and please use the following URL to do your
> searching again.
> http://www.gramene.org/db/markers/marker_view
>
> For searching different markers, you can use marker type and  
> species to
> filter your search.
>
> As the marker database is quite big, it will take some time for you  
> to get
> your results.
>
> Junjian Ni

Rafiq,

I looked at the marker search script pointed to by Ni above (I wrote  
it originally) and found where it was taking a long time to load some  
data for the initial view.  I've now fixed it.  Perhaps you were  
frustrated by how long the script took to start up, so that's fixed now.

Thanks for writing!

ky


>> Hello
>>
>> I can not able to search marker in GRAMENE internet site. What is the
>> problem? How can I able to search different markers for rice?  
>> Thanks for
>> your earliest response.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Rafiq
>>
>> IRRI
>>
>>
>
>
> Junjian Ni
> Gramene Curator
> G15, Bradfield Hall,
> Cornell University,
> Ithaca, NY 14853
>




From rajkumar at eml.cc  Tue Dec 13 08:57:44 2005
From: rajkumar at eml.cc (Rajkumar)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:57:44 +0100
Subject: About marker search
In-Reply-To: <C781839E63F2A140A7928F015DBBA650227684@Hermes>
References: <C781839E63F2A140A7928F015DBBA650227684@Hermes>
Message-ID: <1134482264.878.249682367@webmail.messagingengine.com>


 Dear Islam,

Probably, the server might be down for a while, but works fine.
Please go through the link

http://www.gramene.org/markers/help.html

for detailed information on marker search.

Regards,

[rajkumar]
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:05:53 +0800, "Islam, Rafiqul (IRRI)" <r.islam at cgia
r.org> said:

Hello

I can not able to search marker in GRAMENE internet site. What
is the problem? How can I able to search different markers for
rice? Thanks for your earliest response.


Regards

Rafiq

IRRI
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From sbassi at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 12:18:12 2005
From: sbassi at gmail.com (Sebastian Bassi)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:18:12 -0300
Subject: About marker search
In-Reply-To: <FAAE4E24-9CD1-48CE-92B0-54F7DA33C9D3@cshl.edu>
References: <C781839E63F2A140A7928F015DBBA650227684@Hermes>
	 <4175.128.253.246.144.1134484387.squirrel@webmail.cornell.edu>
	 <FAAE4E24-9CD1-48CE-92B0-54F7DA33C9D3@cshl.edu>
Message-ID: <b43bf2080512130918k1b639384x4183c8f20b181fea@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/13/05, Ken Youens-Clark <kclark at cshl.edu> wrote:
> I looked at the marker search script pointed to by Ni above (I wrote
> it originally) and found where it was taking a long time to load some
> data for the initial view.  I've now fixed it.  Perhaps you were
> frustrated by how long the script took to start up, so that's fixed now.

Is the code available to download?
I tried the FTP and I could not found the code
(ftp://ftp.gramene.org/pub/gramene/software/).
Then I went to the web interface to CVS but there is so much there
that I don't know were the page code is.

Best regards,
SB.


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From sbassi at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 12:46:29 2005
From: sbassi at gmail.com (Sebastian Bassi)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:46:29 -0300
Subject: Clone sequences?
Message-ID: <b43bf2080512130946q4a88d4dm3678a1a9832e7575@mail.gmail.com>

First I want to congratulate Ken for the work at the marker search.
The search speed is way faster now!.
I have the MySQL db installed locally, but I can't find some data. I
can't find what I call the "Clone sequences". For example, the marker
Sorghum bicolor SSR "txp298" has a repeat motif like this:  (AGA)23. I
understand that the primers should flank this motif. I would like to
find the sequences where the primer search took place, for example,
for primer redesign.

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From matthews at greengenes.cit.cornell.edu  Sun Dec 18 23:09:15 2005
From: matthews at greengenes.cit.cornell.edu (Dave Matthews)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:09:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Botany or taxonomy text with clear (pen) drawings of florets, spikelets and spikes
Message-ID: <200512190409.jBJ49Fhl001478@greengenes.cit.cornell.edu>

Hi Maarten,

> From maarten.vanginkel at dpi.vic.gov.au  Fri Dec 16 22:17:09 2005
> 
> Dave,
> 
> Do you know where I could find a botany or taxonomy text with clear (pen)
> drawings of the florets, spikelets and spikes of wheat and its progenitors?
> Most modern texts have photos, while I need the classical precise pen
> drawings.
> 
> Regards,
>             Maarten

I'm stumped.  Passing this along to others who may be able to help.

The best resource I know for the progenitors is "Wild Wheat", but those
are all photos.  For what it's worth, they're all in GrainGenes,
http://wheat.pw.usda.gov/report?class=reference&name=MOR-353

For non-comparative purposes, just wheat:

Gramene is working on this.  They have some good drawings for rice,
http://www.gramene.org/oryza/rice_illustrations.html#oryzaspikelet
but not yet for wheat as far as I can find,
http://dev.gramene.org/triticum/triticum_anatomy_and_taxonomy.html

Keith Edwards' "Wheat: the big picture", http://www.wheatbp.net,
has some good photos.  Not drawings but they are labeled.  E.g.
http://www.wheatbp.net/cgi-bin/grain2.pl?topic=Flowering+and+fertilisation&sub_topic=Anthesis:+floret+pictures&GS=5&sub=2

There are a couple of drawings of a general grass floret at
http://www.pssc.ttu.edu/pss1321/Web%20topics/cpa2.htm

I hope someone can help with this.  It would be a good thing to add
to GrainGenes.

best,
- Dave



From dr248 at cornell.edu  Mon Dec 19 09:28:58 2005
From: dr248 at cornell.edu (Dean ravenscroft)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:28:58 -0500
Subject: Botany or taxonomy text with clear (pen) drawings of florets,
 spikelets and spikes
In-Reply-To: <200512190409.jBJ49Fhl001478@greengenes.cit.cornell.edu>
References: <200512190409.jBJ49Fhl001478@greengenes.cit.cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <43A6C3AA.4010308@cornell.edu>

Hi,

Kurt Stueber at the max Planck Institute for Plant Breeding Research is 
currently scanning historical botany books, and making them available on 
the Internet.
There may be some useful drawings available from some of his pages.

http://www.biolib.de/

http://caliban.mpiz-koeln.mpg.de/~stueber/thome/band1/tafel_051_small.jpg

Dean Ravenscroft

Dave Matthews wrote:

>Hi Maarten,
>
>  
>
>>From maarten.vanginkel at dpi.vic.gov.au  Fri Dec 16 22:17:09 2005
>>
>>Dave,
>>
>>Do you know where I could find a botany or taxonomy text with clear (pen)
>>drawings of the florets, spikelets and spikes of wheat and its progenitors?
>>Most modern texts have photos, while I need the classical precise pen
>>drawings.
>>
>>Regards,
>>            Maarten
>>    
>>
>
>I'm stumped.  Passing this along to others who may be able to help.
>
>The best resource I know for the progenitors is "Wild Wheat", but those
>are all photos.  For what it's worth, they're all in GrainGenes,
>http://wheat.pw.usda.gov/report?class=reference&name=MOR-353
>
>For non-comparative purposes, just wheat:
>
>Gramene is working on this.  They have some good drawings for rice,
>http://www.gramene.org/oryza/rice_illustrations.html#oryzaspikelet
>but not yet for wheat as far as I can find,
>http://dev.gramene.org/triticum/triticum_anatomy_and_taxonomy.html
>
>Keith Edwards' "Wheat: the big picture", http://www.wheatbp.net,
>has some good photos.  Not drawings but they are labeled.  E.g.
>http://www.wheatbp.net/cgi-bin/grain2.pl?topic=Flowering+and+fertilisation&sub_topic=Anthesis:+floret+pictures&GS=5&sub=2
>
>There are a couple of drawings of a general grass floret at
>http://www.pssc.ttu.edu/pss1321/Web%20topics/cpa2.htm
>
>I hope someone can help with this.  It would be a good thing to add
>to GrainGenes.
>
>best,
>- Dave
>
>  
>

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From Mary at biology.usu.edu  Mon Dec 19 14:54:29 2005
From: Mary at biology.usu.edu (Mary Barkworth)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:54:29 -0700
Subject: Botany or taxonomy text with clear (pen) drawings of florets, spikelets and spikes
Message-ID: <E9259A26315FBF4C86486B341847B0193A06DE@bioserver.biology.usu.edu>

Maarten, I thope these are of some assistance.  The treatment they are
to complement will one day be http://herbarium.usu.edu/webmanual - as
well as being published in Flora of North America vol. 24 (before the
end of 2006).  We shall put up the individual illustrations shortly.  We
shall be revising these illustrations to ensure that the distinguishing
features, as reflected in Laura Morrison's key, are shown.  I am glad
that someone else, like me, is frustrated by the lack of illustrations
to use when one is talking about the development of wheat. 
Incidentally, Nikolay Goncharov has a very interesting paper that
pertains to some of the finer taxonomic distinctions that will be coming
out in the Czech J. of Genetics and Plant Breeding in the near future -
it is based on a presentation that he gave at the trit meeting in Prague
this past summer.

Mary

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From David.Marshall at scri.ac.uk  Mon Dec 19 09:56:59 2005
From: David.Marshall at scri.ac.uk (David Marshall)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:56:59 -0000
Subject: Botany or taxonomy text with clear (pen) drawings of florets, spikelets and spikes
Message-ID: <BE57D4C018CC2642AF256E2FDDA9095703DA4E1D@exchange1.scri.sari.ac.uk>

 
This classical work has some nice line illustrations of the type you are looking for. It is biases to UK native grasses and crops but has at least a few exotics
 
 
David
 
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From naveensharmagv at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 21 05:01:39 2005
From: naveensharmagv at yahoo.com (Naveen Sharma)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 02:01:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: QTL data down load
Message-ID: <20051221100139.34722.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com>

  Hi,
  I am trying to download QTL data as tab separated values. Where can I get the recent version?
  I am trrying to download it from the Databases as tab-separated-value files
Databases as tab-separated-value files, but if I download QTL19 it has only SQL statements. 
  How can I get the data.
   
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From jn66 at cornell.edu  Wed Dec 21 09:16:31 2005
From: jn66 at cornell.edu (Junjian Ni)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:16:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: QTL data down load
In-Reply-To: <20051221100139.34722.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051221100139.34722.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1918.128.253.246.144.1135174591.squirrel@webmail.cornell.edu>

Hi Ken or other developers,

I just checked our ftp site. Yes, it seems the data are not there.
ftp://ftp.gramene.org/pub/gramene/CURRENT_RELEASE/data/database_dump/mysql_dumps/
ftp://ftp.gramene.org/pub/gramene/release19/data/

As Ken might not check email frequently these days, could someone else
give the help? Thanks.

Ni

>   Hi,
>   I am trying to download QTL data as tab separated values. Where can I
> get the recent version?
>   I am trrying to download it from the Databases as tab-separated-value
> files
> Databases as tab-separated-value files, but if I download QTL19 it has
only SQL statements.
>   How can I get the data.
>
>   Thanks,
>   Naveen.
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com


Junjian Ni
Gramene Curator
G15, Bradfield Hall,
Cornell University,
Ithaca, NY 14853








From jn66 at cornell.edu  Wed Dec 21 09:22:21 2005
From: jn66 at cornell.edu (Junjian Ni)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:22:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: QTL data down load
In-Reply-To: <20051221100139.34722.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051221100139.34722.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1930.128.253.246.144.1135174941.squirrel@webmail.cornell.edu>

Dear Naveen,

I don't know whether you want to download all data from current qtl
database or just some of them. If not whole database, you can get the data
from following page:
http://www.gramene.org/db/qtl/qtl_display?query=*&search_field=&species=&submit=Submit

You can select "Download data" to get some info for current available qtls.

Let's know if having further questions.

Junjian Ni

>   Hi,
>   I am trying to download QTL data as tab separated values. Where can I
> get the recent version?
>   I am trrying to download it from the Databases as tab-separated-value
> files
> Databases as tab-separated-value files, but if I download QTL19 it has
> only SQL statements.
>   How can I get the data.
>
>   Thanks,
>   Naveen.
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com


Junjian Ni
Gramene Curator
G15, Bradfield Hall,
Cornell University,
Ithaca, NY 14853



From rajkumar at eml.cc  Wed Dec 21 09:25:03 2005
From: rajkumar at eml.cc (Rajkumar)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:25:03 +0100
Subject: QTL data down load
In-Reply-To: <1918.128.253.246.144.1135174591.squirrel@webmail.cornell.edu>
References: <20051221100139.34722.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com>
   <1918.128.253.246.144.1135174591.squirrel@webmail.cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <1135175103.4834.250294176@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Dear Naveen,

I shall be able to help. 

Can you let me know [show me the link], which file you would need to
convert from SQL statement to TAB delimited text?

[rajkumar]



On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:16:31 -0500 (EST), "Junjian Ni"
<jn66 at cornell.edu> said:
> Hi Ken or other developers,
> 
> I just checked our ftp site. Yes, it seems the data are not there.
> ftp://ftp.gramene.org/pub/gramene/CURRENT_RELEASE/data/database_dump/mysql_dumps/
> ftp://ftp.gramene.org/pub/gramene/release19/data/
> 
> As Ken might not check email frequently these days, could someone else
> give the help? Thanks.
> 
> Ni
> 
> >   Hi,
> >   I am trying to download QTL data as tab separated values. Where can I
> > get the recent version?
> >   I am trrying to download it from the Databases as tab-separated-value
> > files
> > Databases as tab-separated-value files, but if I download QTL19 it has
> only SQL statements.
> >   How can I get the data.
> >
> >   Thanks,
> >   Naveen.
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> > http://mail.yahoo.com
> 
> 
> Junjian Ni
> Gramene Curator
> G15, Bradfield Hall,
> Cornell University,
> Ithaca, NY 14853
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



From maarten.vanginkel at dpi.vic.gov.au  Sun Dec 25 00:52:06 2005
From: maarten.vanginkel at dpi.vic.gov.au (maarten.vanginkel at dpi.vic.gov.au)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 16:52:06 +1100
Subject: Botany or taxonomy text with clear (pen) drawings of florets, spikelets
 and spikes
Message-ID: <OF932A3FDC.5178B1F1-ONCA2570E2.0020148F-CA2570E2.00203C3A@nre.vic.gov.au>


Mary,

Thanks very much. These are what I need. The final missing one would be
Triticum tauschii (or Aegilops squarrosa, or permutations). Do you have a
drawing of that final D-genome donor?

Regards,
                 Maarten




|---------+---------------------------->
|         |           Mary at biology.usu.|
|         |           edu              |
|         |                            |
|         |           20/12/2005 06:54 |
|         |           AM               |
|         |                            |
|---------+---------------------------->
  >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
  |                                                                                                                              |
  |       To:       matthews at greengenes.cit.cornell.edu, maarten.vanginkel at dpi.vic.gov.au                                        |
  |       cc:       alura at peak.org, curator at pw.usda.gov, gramene at gramene.org, grcp at ucdavis.edu, hbockelman at ars-grin.gov,         |
  |        jraupp at ksu.edu, k.j.edwards at bristol.ac.uk, gonch at bionet.nsc.ru                                                        |
  |       Subject:  RE: Botany or taxonomy text with clear (pen) drawings of florets, spikelets and spikes                       |
  >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|




Maarten, I thope these are of some assistance.  The treatment they are
to complement will one day be http://herbarium.usu.edu/webmanual - as
well as being published in Flora of North America vol. 24 (before the
end of 2006).  We shall put up the individual illustrations shortly.  We
shall be revising these illustrations to ensure that the distinguishing
features, as reflected in Laura Morrison's key, are shown.  I am glad
that someone else, like me, is frustrated by the lack of illustrations
to use when one is talking about the development of wheat.
Incidentally, Nikolay Goncharov has a very interesting paper that
pertains to some of the finer taxonomic distinctions that will be coming
out in the Czech J. of Genetics and Plant Breeding in the near future -
it is based on a presentation that he gave at the trit meeting in Prague
this past summer.

Mary

(See attached file: Triticum_combined_1_provisional_ill.jpg)(See attached
file: Triticum_combined_2_provisional_ill.jpg)


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From alura at emmerassociates.org  Tue Dec 27 17:18:10 2005
From: alura at emmerassociates.org (Laura Morrison)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:18:10 -0800
Subject: Botany or taxonomy text with clear (pen) drawings of
  florets, spikelets and spikes
In-Reply-To: <OF932A3FDC.5178B1F1-ONCA2570E2.0020148F-CA2570E2.00203C3A@
 nre.vic.gov.au>
References: <OF932A3FDC.5178B1F1-ONCA2570E2.0020148F-CA2570E2.00203C3A@nre.vic.gov.au>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20051227132730.01b96fc0@mail.peak.org>

Dear Maarten,

The 1994 monograph on Aegilops done by Michael van Slageren is your best 
bet for an easy to locate, and excellent quality, botanical illustration of 
Ae. taushcii (and all other Aegilops species).  Copies should be available 
at libraries or germplasm units.  Info for purchasing from ICARDA can be 
found here: http://www.icarda.org/Publications/Price_List/Book2/Book2.html

In case the link doesn't work, here's the book title,etc:   M.W. Slageren. 
1994. Wild Wheats: a Monograph of Aegilops L. and Amblyopyrum (Jaub & 
Spach) Eig (Poaceae). Wageningen Agricultural University Papers 
94-7.  Wageningen Agricultural University & ICARDA.

Finding good botanical illustrations of the wheats, either available in 
texts or on the internet, is fundamentally an issue of funding. There 
hasn't been a strong interest in supporting taxonomic work nor a 
recognition for its value.  Similarly, the little work that has been 
supported has been largely undertaken with the presumption that photos are 
a suitable alternative to Herbarium specimens and 
illustrations.   Regrettably, they're not.

If WAU and ICARDA can be convinced to make the Aegilops illustrations 
available for posting on the GrainTax website, that would be a nice step 
forward.  I also have other wheat illustrations done by the same artist as 
those provided by Mary Barkworth which could be posted provided copyright 
issues don't arise for their later publication.

As the principal contributor to GrainTax 
(http://wheat.pw.usda.gov/ggpages/GrainTax/index.shtml), which links to the 
KSU Wheat Genetic Resources site 
(https://www.ksu.edu/wgrc/Taxonomy/taxintro.html), for most of the 
postings, I can speak to the desire for getting keys, drawings, etc. posted 
and universally available. Unfortunately, this is not sufficient to contend 
with the reality that such work doesn't attract funds.  Thus, GrainTax is 
still "in-process". Unless there are plentiful volunteer hours available, 
this type of useful taxonomic information can't get beyond back burner 
status.

Perhaps your frustrations in searching for good illustrations will help 
stir up some interest in addressing the funding issue.

Laura Morrison
Wheat Synonymy Project




At 09:52 PM 12/24/2005, maarten.vanginkel at dpi.vic.gov.au wrote:

>Mary,
>
>Thanks very much. These are what I need. The final missing one would be
>Triticum tauschii (or Aegilops squarrosa, or permutations). Do you have a
>drawing of that final D-genome donor?
>
>Regards,
>                  Maarten
>
>
>
>
>|---------+---------------------------->
>|         |           Mary at biology.usu.|
>|         |           edu              |
>|         |                            |
>|         |           20/12/2005 06:54 |
>|         |           AM               |
>|         |                            |
>|---------+---------------------------->
> 
>  >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>   | 
>                                                         |
>   |       To:       matthews at greengenes.cit.cornell.edu, 
> maarten.vanginkel at dpi.vic.gov.au                                        |
>   |       cc:       alura at peak.org, curator at pw.usda.gov, 
> gramene at gramene.org, grcp at ucdavis.edu, hbockelman at ars-grin.gov,         |
>   |        jraupp at ksu.edu, k.j.edwards at bristol.ac.uk, 
> gonch at bionet.nsc.ru                                                        |
>   |       Subject:  RE: Botany or taxonomy text with clear (pen) drawings 
> of florets, spikelets and spikes                       |
> 
>  >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>
>
>
>
>Maarten, I thope these are of some assistance.  The treatment they are
>to complement will one day be http://herbarium.usu.edu/webmanual - as
>well as being published in Flora of North America vol. 24 (before the
>end of 2006).  We shall put up the individual illustrations shortly.  We
>shall be revising these illustrations to ensure that the distinguishing
>features, as reflected in Laura Morrison's key, are shown.  I am glad
>that someone else, like me, is frustrated by the lack of illustrations
>to use when one is talking about the development of wheat.
>Incidentally, Nikolay Goncharov has a very interesting paper that
>pertains to some of the finer taxonomic distinctions that will be coming
>out in the Czech J. of Genetics and Plant Breeding in the near future -
>it is based on a presentation that he gave at the trit meeting in Prague
>this past summer.
>
>Mary
>
>(See attached file: Triticum_combined_1_provisional_ill.jpg)(See attached
>file: Triticum_combined_2_provisional_ill.jpg)
>
>
>




From maarten.vanginkel at dpi.vic.gov.au  Tue Dec 27 17:55:31 2005
From: maarten.vanginkel at dpi.vic.gov.au (maarten.vanginkel at dpi.vic.gov.au)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:55:31 +1100
Subject: Botany or taxonomy text with clear (pen) drawings of  florets, spikelets
 and spikes
Message-ID: <OF6D5E7B1B.473F2FD6-ONCA2570E4.007DB43E-CA2570E4.007DEEBB@nre.vic.gov.au>


Laura,

Thanks for the effort made. I agree that photographs may not capture all
relevant morphological details and that pen drawings can do so. They
complement one another. I will try to get a hold of Slageren's book.

Regards,
             Maarten




|---------+---------------------------->
|         |           alura at emmerassoci|
|         |           ates.org         |
|         |                            |
|         |           28/12/2005 09:18 |
|         |           AM               |
|         |                            |
|---------+---------------------------->
  >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
  |                                                                                                                              |
  |       To:       maarten.vanginkel at dpi.vic.gov.au, Mary at biology.usu.edu                                                       |
  |       cc:       alura at peak.org, curator at pw.usda.gov, gonch at bionet.nsc.ru, gramene at gramene.org, grcp at ucdavis.edu,             |
  |        hbockelman at ars-grin.gov, jraupp at ksu.edu, k.j.edwards at bristol.ac.uk, matthews at greengenes.cit.cornell.edu               |
  |       Subject:  RE: Botany or taxonomy text with clear (pen) drawings of  florets, spikelets and spikes                      |
  >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|




Dear Maarten,

The 1994 monograph on Aegilops done by Michael van Slageren is your best
bet for an easy to locate, and excellent quality, botanical illustration of

Ae. taushcii (and all other Aegilops species).  Copies should be available
at libraries or germplasm units.  Info for purchasing from ICARDA can be
found here: http://www.icarda.org/Publications/Price_List/Book2/Book2.html

In case the link doesn't work, here's the book title,etc:   M.W. Slageren.
1994. Wild Wheats: a Monograph of Aegilops L. and Amblyopyrum (Jaub &
Spach) Eig (Poaceae). Wageningen Agricultural University Papers
94-7.  Wageningen Agricultural University & ICARDA.

Finding good botanical illustrations of the wheats, either available in
texts or on the internet, is fundamentally an issue of funding. There
hasn't been a strong interest in supporting taxonomic work nor a
recognition for its value.  Similarly, the little work that has been
supported has been largely undertaken with the presumption that photos are
a suitable alternative to Herbarium specimens and
illustrations.   Regrettably, they're not.

If WAU and ICARDA can be convinced to make the Aegilops illustrations
available for posting on the GrainTax website, that would be a nice step
forward.  I also have other wheat illustrations done by the same artist as
those provided by Mary Barkworth which could be posted provided copyright
issues don't arise for their later publication.

As the principal contributor to GrainTax
(http://wheat.pw.usda.gov/ggpages/GrainTax/index.shtml), which links to the

KSU Wheat Genetic Resources site
(https://www.ksu.edu/wgrc/Taxonomy/taxintro.html), for most of the
postings, I can speak to the desire for getting keys, drawings, etc. posted

and universally available. Unfortunately, this is not sufficient to contend

with the reality that such work doesn't attract funds.  Thus, GrainTax is
still "in-process". Unless there are plentiful volunteer hours available,
this type of useful taxonomic information can't get beyond back burner
status.

Perhaps your frustrations in searching for good illustrations will help
stir up some interest in addressing the funding issue.

Laura Morrison
Wheat Synonymy Project




At 09:52 PM 12/24/2005, maarten.vanginkel at dpi.vic.gov.au wrote:

>Mary,
>
>Thanks very much. These are what I need. The final missing one would be
>Triticum tauschii (or Aegilops squarrosa, or permutations). Do you have a
>drawing of that final D-genome donor?
>
>Regards,
>                  Maarten
>
>
>
>
>|---------+---------------------------->
>|         |           Mary at biology.usu.|
>|         |           edu              |
>|         |                            |
>|         |           20/12/2005 06:54 |
>|         |           AM               |
>|         |                            |
>|---------+---------------------------->
>
>  >
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|

>   |
>                                                         |
>   |       To:       matthews at greengenes.cit.cornell.edu,
> maarten.vanginkel at dpi.vic.gov.au                                        |
>   |       cc:       alura at peak.org, curator at pw.usda.gov,
> gramene at gramene.org, grcp at ucdavis.edu, hbockelman at ars-grin.gov,         |
>   |        jraupp at ksu.edu, k.j.edwards at bristol.ac.uk,
> gonch at bionet.nsc.ru
|
>   |       Subject:  RE: Botany or taxonomy text with clear (pen) drawings

> of florets, spikelets and spikes                       |
>
>  >
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|

>
>
>
>
>Maarten, I thope these are of some assistance.  The treatment they are
>to complement will one day be http://herbarium.usu.edu/webmanual - as
>well as being published in Flora of North America vol. 24 (before the
>end of 2006).  We shall put up the individual illustrations shortly.  We
>shall be revising these illustrations to ensure that the distinguishing
>features, as reflected in Laura Morrison's key, are shown.  I am glad
>that someone else, like me, is frustrated by the lack of illustrations
>to use when one is talking about the development of wheat.
>Incidentally, Nikolay Goncharov has a very interesting paper that
>pertains to some of the finer taxonomic distinctions that will be coming
>out in the Czech J. of Genetics and Plant Breeding in the near future -
>it is based on a presentation that he gave at the trit meeting in Prague
>this past summer.
>
>Mary
>
>(See attached file: Triticum_combined_1_provisional_ill.jpg)(See attached
>file: Triticum_combined_2_provisional_ill.jpg)
>
>
>









From goldsbrough at hort.purdue.edu  Fri Dec 30 02:27:32 2005
From: goldsbrough at hort.purdue.edu (goldsbrough at hort.purdue.edu)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:27:32 -0500
Subject: automatic reply
Message-ID: <1076194844-585399587@hort.purdue.edu>

Shuly,

I would have changed this, but I don't see him on the list originally.

Claire



Notice:  I am no longer able to accept mail at this address.  My new e-mail address is:  goldsbrough at purdue.edu

Please make a note of this new address.

Thank You